Arrow Bounce?

[MossyAUV]

I find that my arrows bounce coming of the rest on my recurve. What factors could be adding to this?

[ACE]

What do you mean "bounce"? Are they actually lifting and then coming back down again before leaving the bow? During draw or during the firing motion? What bow and arrows?

[woody]

I find that my arrows bounce coming of the rest on my recurve. What factors could be adding to this?

Do you shoot split finger, 1 over , 2 under. Some times the top finger can pinch down and put a slight curve into the arrow prior to release.

A sympton of this is a sore quick on the side of the index finger fingernail. Finger pinch can be avoided by letting the string angle " squeeze" the top finger out of the way.

Personally I find my best results by shooting off the pads of my fingertips, despite what the "experts" recomend.

A deep hook into the finger creases does not work for me, off the finger tips seems to be much better, for me.

Ask a friend to view you at full draw from the side, if pinching down is the reason , the arrow should have a visible downwards bend, hence the "bounce" on release.

Another possible cause is the arrow nock sliding slightly downwards on the string during the power stroke, on release. The cure for this is simply a nock point underneath your arrow nock.

Its hard to say, your description of the problem was fairly brief.

[ACE]

Personally I find my best results by shooting off the pads of my fingertips, despite what the "experts" recomend.

A deep hook into the finger creases does not work for me, off the finger tips seems to be much better, for me.

A good way to do nervous damage to your fingertips. I mean, if you dont want any sensation in your fingers after years of shooting, who am i to preech .

You should be able to tune and get a good release just fine from holding the finger in the first groove, plenty of olympic archers do, and they arnt the sort to do something that doesnt yeild loads of 10's!

[MossyAUV]

Sorry for being brief I use an internature bow and was using some cheap wood arrows with a FOC percentage of less than 2%. Using 1 finger above and 1 below grip on the string. I have tried using A.B.A 2315's(Used for practice with my compound bow normally) with FOC percentage of 8.6% which showed great improvement.

[ACE]

Sorry for being brief I use an internature bow and was using some cheap wood arrows with a FOC percentage of less than 2%. Using 1 finger above and 1 below grip on the string. I have tried using A.B.A 2315's(Used for practice with my compound bow normally) with FOC percentage of 8.6% which showed great improvement.

Its a wonder you got them to fly anywhere at all! I remember shooting an arrow with no tip in it a few times (in FSU) and it grouped rather nicely to the high left. Took me about 3 targets to figure out what the hell was goin on!

Actually, this is a good way for release aid shooters to check for nock pinch on a string. Keep a shaft handy that has no tip in it (even if its a little cracked), just chuck a nock in it and draw it as normal, if it lifts off your rest, your D loop knots are too close to the nock.

[woody]

Personally I find my best results by shooting off the pads of my fingertips, despite what the "experts" recomend.

A deep hook into the finger creases does not work for me, off the finger tips seems to be much better, for me.

A good way to do nervous damage to your fingertips. I mean, if you dont want any sensation in your fingers after years of shooting, who am i to preech .

You should be able to tune and get a good release just fine from holding the finger in the first groove, plenty of olympic archers do, and they arnt the sort to do something that doesnt yeild loads of 10's!

Mate,
I knew the post would draw comment...... I have been a bowhunter and field archer since I was 16, and am now nudging 50, so far I have no nerve damage in my finger tips, and if I havent sussed out what works for ME, by now, I never will.

I am well aware of what all the experts recomend, and, as stated in my first post..... Does not work for me.

Your olympic archers are not using heavy recurves and a high, side of face, hunting anchor either.

But who am I to preach.......

[Cabba]

Maybe Mossy if you have a club nearby, then you could get someone to have a look at what the problem might be.

[Liam M]

Your olympic archers are not using heavy recurves and a high, side of face, hunting anchor either.

I assume when you say 'heavy recurves' you refer to poundage?
Not trying to start an argument, BUT.... I know for fact, that athletes such as Michael Narray and Sky Kim use bows that have been strapped up to 80 pound for their training purposes, and in competition they hold 50 pounds like a compound....

[MossyAUV]

i am going to get some new arrows see how my grouping improves. I'm thinking ultralight xt's for a start.

[ACE]

i am going to get some new arrows see how my grouping improves. I'm thinking ultralight xt's for a start.

They are a great arrow, i use the pro's nower days, but if im stuck for pennies, i wouldnt go past another set of XT's for nuttin. The 600's are a little fragile though, but then again, they are ahead of aluminium of a similar spine imho.

[MossyAUV]

pro's would be nice but for my first real go at getting set up for target shooting i just can't justify it when the bow i am using doesn't even have sight yet and only a basic rest i'm thinking of a w & w magnetic(for a start at least).

[woody]

Liam,
I consider 50 pounds as a light weight for a hunting bow, and once again, will point out, again, that olympic recurve archers use a lower hold and anchor.

This style is the best for the type of archery competition they do, but it has nothing to do with a high hunting anchor suitable for hunting distances 30 metres and under.

All my preferences for the type of archery I like to do was clearly explained in my first post, and that I am well aware of olympic archery form styles.

This forum has a problem in that some those who consider themselves "experts" try to pick apart anyone else who holds a different point of view, or alternate way of shooting a bow

Quite frankly, this is unfortunate, because it discourages people posting.

This is digressing quite far away from the original question, sorry about that.

[ACE]

pro's would be nice but for my first real go at getting set up for target shooting i just can't justify it when the bow i am using doesn't even have sight yet and only a basic rest i'm thinking of a w & w magnetic(for a start at least).

I reckon the XT's will keep you very happy for a long time. I dont think many people could shoot better than a properly built set of arrows based on XT's, but thats true of a lot of arrows. The biggest factor in the errors in my shooting is me!

Woody, i fail to see how anchor is relevant here. In fact, i think a lot of whats being said here is pretty moot. The arrow doesnt know its hitting an animal or a gold dot. Precision is what counts and, in both hunting and target work, there are many methods of getting it. You seem to have an aversion to "experts" though. Im not an expert, but ive learned a thing or two and its a part of who i am to try to share that with people. You can take that learning or leave it, i dont really care much either way, but i try to get my learning out there for people to use, in the hope that they do the same and we all improve our lot in this hugely frustrating game. If ive said something thats blatently wrong, feel free to correct me and set me straight.

The string location on the finger was taught to me on a few occasions, most notably while sitting my coaching course. Its taught in all forms of archery from field to fita. If you dont want to do it, good for you, im not fussed either way, but somewhere down the track, someone might do a search on finger technique on this forum and id like it if they had a coverage of the pluses and minuses for various methods.

[woody]

Scotty D,
Mate, if I might make an observation, you seem so preoccupied on the knowledge you have picked up on your coaches courses, that you have closed your mind to someone with 36 years of bowhunting behind him having an alternate method that works very well, personally, for me.

You keep rabbiting on about fita and field archery and your coaches course, my main interest is hunting, and my personal form suits my interest and physical body shape.

What you cant seem to understand people are all physically different, slight differences in bone structure can make a huge difference in particulars of form.

A good coach knows this, and studies his student, making sure any advice is relevant, before speaking.

As a hunting archer, the high side of mouth anchor is better. The exact finer details of this anchor style is something best determined by each individual.

With the bone structure of my face, and fingers, and an anchor point on my eye tooth, shooting off the tips of my finger pads is very comfortable, lines up the arrow directly under my eye and gives me the cleanest release I am capable of.

Why do I have a problem with "experts"

Look back through your posts to me mate. Without knowing anything about me, you have been patronising, dismissive of anything I said that doesnt gel with your ideas and had me lined up for nerve damage in my fingers.

Enough said........

[Cabba]

This is a nice way to welcome someone to the forum. Poor Mossy got on here asking for help & all you two do is bag each other.

[woody]

This is a nice way to welcome someone to the forum. Poor Mossy got on here asking for help & all you two do is bag each other.

You are absolutely right Cabba, please accept my apology Mossy, it was not my intention to derail your thread.

Ask many questions of many people, pick through the answers and adopt the ideas that work for you, is the best advice I would give.

[Scoot]

Mossy
All we know about your setup is recurve with wood arrows and low FOC & tried 2315's (they are big arrows)
Please help us
Draw lenght
Poundage
What type of rest (be specific or post a pic if you can)
finger tab/fingers/ glove
stabiliser/ no stabiliser (if fitted what lenght and weight)
What points broadhead or target point
What are you actually shooting with your bow Field, ABA, Target, Hunting

[MossyAUV]

My equipment is as basic as it comes. Stick on rest, no stabilizer, not even a sight. I'm only just starting to set up my equipment.
Draw lenght is approx 26"
On the limbs it has
62" 36#
66" 33#
String lenght is 56.5"

[Scoot]

As indicated above finger pinch may be the cause try this.
Draw your bow with three fingers around 5mm under the arrow.
If the arrow draws smoothly you may need to either:
Shoot a three finger under method nothing wrong with it, its not what is technically correct but it works fine.
A lot of bear bow shoot who walk the string for different distances will shoot this way.

Another method would be to use a finger tab with a finger seperator.

If the arrow still wants to bounce on the rest you may be drawing to much weight or your grip and your drawing action needs to be worked on.