ACE's

[Mark Burrows]

Anyone shooting ACE's at 60lb 29inch. If so what size. 430? 470? Are you happy with them?

[Bruce]

I would probably go the 400 Mark Years ago I used to shoot 430 with 90 gn points , but that was with slower bows than todays .

[ACE]

My hand suggests you dont try the 470's! Im using 430s at the moment. I dont think they shoot as good as the 470's did, but they are slightly more robust.

Hey mark, im considering selling 17 ACE C2's @ 430 spine to swap to X10's. If youre interested, shoot me a PM. I think they are cut off enough for your draw.

[Dewi]

I am using ACE's. Have tried a few combinations.
I shoot 60 pound and draw length of 29 5/8, from an X-force7.
Shaft length of 28.5.

I have used Navigators at 430 spine and found the spine to be a little light.
I now use ACE's with a 370 spine! With 100 grain points. I have found these fly brilliantly. New shafts bought last week, tried on Sat, 2 inch groups at 80 yards. Approx 304fps.

If you are shooting something with a high speed cam, I have found a heavier spine works better. If I were to shoot 400's I would probably drop to 80 or 90 grain points, but I prefer to have a better FOC than that combination offers, despite the lighter shafts more speed, the heavier combination groups better at distance.

With your slightly shorter draw length I would go at least a 400 spine for a hard cam or if its a softer cam perhaps 430's, no lighter. If you wanted more than 100grain up front then I would try 370's for a harder cam bow. IMHO.

Plenty of people get great results however shooting underspined, but I would not reccommend it.
Easton charts for 55-60 say 400 to 430 spine for hard cam 29 inch, 60-65 pound 370 to 400 spine for 29 inch.

[Mark Burrows]

Thanks everyone.
Although my DL is 29 my arrows would be 28 @ 60. The Eastern chart recommends 430/470. I am currently shooting 500 Lightspeeds with 100 gn points out of a Hoyt Katera XL. These work OK but I feel they drop off speed really quickly over 40 and this is where you need the speed. With the WBH Champs at WAgga we will be shooting out to 55 meters so I was looking for something better than the LS. Jim Parkes arrow testeing reveals that the ACE's are the best choice for unmarked rounds so I was going to have a look. But at the price they are I wanted to make sure I git the correct ones.

[Dewi]

Go the 430s then.
How much does Scott want for his 430's?
I bought my first few used to try them.
Its better than laying out $450 (points,pins,nocks included) on new ones to find out they don't suit.

[Mark Burrows]

Go the 430s then.
How much does Scott want for his 430's?
I bought my first few used to try them.
Its better than laying out $450 (points,pins,nocks included) on new ones to find out they don't suit.

Thanks Dewi. I have PM'd him to find out, makes sence to me to try without spending heaps if they don't work.

[ACE]

Ive got a fairly large collection though, and they are all practically band new. I forgot to mention that im happy to split them mark, but you cannot order ACE's in their weight groups unless youre easton pro staff (I was lucky because pat coghlan just happened to have two sets of C2's around). That said, im more inclined to sell them as at least a dozen and ill be happy to discount the whole 17 if they go at once. If anyone else is interested, make me an offer (via PM).

[Scoot]

HI ACE you are going to use X10 pro tours aren't you the X10 arrows were originally deigned for recurve and are very thin walled.
I take it your going to be shooting more marked target rounds now ACE like Mark said for unmarked the ACE's are far superior to the much heavier pro tours.

Mark its one of the hardest decisions to make in selecting the right size shaft, what i done when i purchased my Nano XR's is start with a long arrow and 2 weighted points and cut bits off until i ended with a group size i liked.
If you select the 470 you may end up using a very light weight point but if you select the 430 you could use a heavier point weight to achieve the dynamic spine you require, the advantage of the heavier point is in the steering the arrow of course but i know you already know this, the probelm you may get into with the heavier arrow is exactly that its heavier so you may not get that extra speed you are looking for. Easton have on there charts weight per inch so i suggest you calculate the weight you expect from each shaft this may help i little.

The WBHC should be a great shoot i am hoping to attend and i will be using light speeds or another arrow which i am testing at the moment. shhhhh don't tell anyone.

[justin_o]

just shoot nano's ....... have found them to be great from the get go and i am still yet to have one go through my hand (just joking scotty)

[Mark Burrows]

The WBHC should be a great shoot i am hoping to attend and i will be using light speeds or another arrow which i am testing at the moment. shhhhh don't tell anyone.

OK Scott it can be our secret.

I think I will go with the 430's, according to the Easton chart they are about 15 grains heavier than my lightspeeds. What I am after is down range speed, so I am hoping the overall pin gap will actually be a bit less otherwise I may as well stay with the light speeds. My light speeds really drop away after 40. So much so that setting my pins at 20,30,40 47. the gap between 40 and 47 is the same as the other gaps. This is not all that critical at the distances we shoot unmarked. ie max 48 m in both ABA and 3D but the WBHC will be out to 55 meters and that will make a difference.
Also I am currently using 100 grain points. I have the option of going to 90's for the ACE's and overall then there will not be much of a difference in weight. Having said all that unless there is an appreciable difference in the ACE's, for the money I am probably better off staying with lightspeeds.

Now: about that secret, I'm always open to new Ideas -just whisper- I wont tell anyone.

[ACE]

HI ACE you are going to use X10 pro tours aren't you the X10 arrows were originally deigned for recurve and are very thin walled.
I take it your going to be shooting more marked target rounds now ACE like Mark said for unmarked the ACE's are far superior to the much heavier pro tours.

Yeah, protours of course. Looking at the 420, should give the arrow a bit more beef. Ill be shooting a lot more marked distance. Ill probably stil do my share of unmarked too, but i might get some ultralight pro's for that. ACE's are amazing for unmarked, the downrange speed really is as good as james' predictions were, but they are a touch fragile for IFAA, which is my main game for now. They really are an exceptional arrow though, my god can they group.

just shoot nano's ....... have found them to be great from the get go and i am still yet to have one go through my hand (just joking scotty)

Ill never live it down will I!

Mark - I was using ultralight pro's before i moved to ace's and my sight settings closed up a good amount, even on ABA distances. The ace's were 20gr heavier. Sarah uses navs that are 50gr heavier than her previous ultralights and she found her sight settings tightened up as well.

[Dewi]

You could try Victory Nano Force V1. 400 spine at 6.9 gpi and narrow like the ACE. I use some of these as practice shafts. I dont rate them as good as my ACE's but I believe at half the price of ACE's they are good value and every bit as good as a lightspeed but with less drag/surface area or drift.

[Steve_Barratt]

Where did you get them from Dewi ?

[Dewi]

Steve Myers from Archery Shak is importing them.

Archery Shak
Mobile: 0407 547 539
Grafton NSW 2460 Australia
Email: archeryshak@hotmail.com

[gazzwah]

The WBHC should be a great shoot i am hoping to attend and i will be using light speeds or another arrow which i am testing at the moment. shhhhh don't tell anyone.

OK Scott it can be our secret.

I think I will go with the 430's, according to the Easton chart they are about 15 grains heavier than my lightspeeds. What I am after is down range speed, so I am hoping the overall pin gap will actually be a bit less otherwise I may as well stay with the light speeds. My light speeds really drop away after 40. So much so that setting my pins at 20,30,40 47. the gap between 40 and 47 is the same as the other gaps. This is not all that critical at the distances we shoot unmarked. ie max 48 m in both ABA and 3D but the WBHC will be out to 55 meters and that will make a difference.
Also I am currently using 100 grain points. I have the option of going to 90's for the ACE's and overall then there will not be much of a difference in weight. Having said all that unless there is an appreciable difference in the ACE's, for the money I am probably better off staying with lightspeeds.

Now: about that secret, I'm always open to new Ideas -just whisper- I wont tell anyone.

You can get 90 grain tips for the lightspeeds also !!!! But smaller outer diameter is better as the smaller OD do recover quicker from the bow....

[Steve_Barratt]

Thanks Dewi, Mark I have a present for you as well, bu they will do you no good unless you are going to shoot ACE's.

Do you want em ?

[Mark Burrows]

You can get 90 grain tips for the lightspeeds also !!!! But smaller outer diameter is better as the smaller OD do recover quicker from the bow....

Yep realize that, I was shooting 80's, then tried 90's, then 100's . Didn't like the flight with the 80's and they actually dropped down even quicker. Couldn't pick any difference between the 90's and 100's and the 100's gave better FOC so went with them.

[Mark Burrows]

Thanks Dewi, Mark I have a present for you as well, bu they will do you no good unless you are going to shoot ACE's.

Do you want em ?

Yeah, I'll take anything. I am going to but the ACE's off ACE and give them a bash.

[Dewi]

Yeah, I'll take anything. I am going to but the ACE's off ACE and give them a bash.

You should be pleased, they are an awsome shaft. If you get the chance to pull them out before the next archer shoots, I recommend you do so, or shoot last, lol, they are pricey to replace. Only avail by the dozen.